5.4 liter, spark plug blow out
 

hey , I hear Ford has a new plug up-date on the 5.4 L . Engine's, I guess the threads are longer so they will stay in the head , PT# AGSF22WM

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yes they seem to be better, did you know the spark plug socket for the 2004 and up trucks take a different size spark plug socket and the only supplier selling it is snap on for about 80 dollars canadian crazy price

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$ 80.00 dollars ,,,,, GEESSHHHHH

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[:-] Whats sooo different you need an 80$ socket???????????[:@]

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YEa !!!! I know , it dont seem that long ago we went from most of the plugs being a 13/16 " to a 5/8 ",,, but even then they didnt rob us,, O'well[sm=bs.gif],,, I know sometimes I use ask the Tool Guy where his Mask An Gun was......

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i dont think it is worth 80 dollars but when only one place is selling it they can charge what they want they should of left the size 5/8 or 13/16 they didnt need to change the size and look at all the problems

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So whats the new size 14MM?

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the size is for 2004 and up Ford TRITON 5.4L V8, is a 9/16", 6-Point

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Suuuure, they do something now after swearing that there is not a problem with them. Mine blew out (pass side, 3rd one back) this summer and they were no help. The dealer helped me where they could but I still ate a 700.00 repair bill. Oh well....

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Well, I have an intersting update from my blown plug adventure:

I just had to go back to the shop as my #3 was mis-firing. They pulled the plug and lo and behold: The insert came out with the plug!!!! Now, I would imagine that these SHOULD stay put even if someone were to do a spark plug chance, huh? It was also interesting to find that the bottom of the plug was melted away. They are now talking about a head replacement. After doing a little bit of research, I found that you are not supposed to use a stainless steel insert in the aluminum heads on the Ford 5.4L motors. Anyone want to guess what my insert is? Apparently, the head expands and contracts at a differing rate than the insert, thus loosening up, and not allowing the plug to stay seated and dissipate the heat buildup or function properly. Now I am faced with having the truck, my main driver and how I make money, down for who knows how long. I am planning on pressing them into paying for the repair as they were the ones that used the incorrect insert to begin with. Anyone else have this happen? By the way, this was a Ford dealer too.

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Ford Dealerships are not supposed to install inserts for that repair. It's placed right in the tsb that the only correct repair for blown out plug is head replacement. If it's warranty, Ford would rather pay for replacing the head than pay to place a helicoil because inserts come back 100 percent of the time, not to mention a big chance of dropping metal shavings into the cylinder and ruining the bore and rings. If it was out of warranty at the time of the first repair, they may have done it to try to save you some money, but if that was the case, they should have given you both options and informed you what a helicoil could do later on.

Whats the year and mileage on the truck? If it's not tooooooo far out of warranty they may be able to PO5 or PO7 this job. Thats basically a request by you to Ford to absorb part of the cost of the repair, even though it's out of warranty. If Ford knows about the previous repair though, they may decline it simply to spite that dealer for circumventing the correct repair the first time. Go to a different Ford dealer and ask them to get help from Ford. It's close to a $4000 repair, so raise hell if you have to.

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When they did the repair, they told me both options. They did tell me that Ford did not 'authorize' the repair, but that it was usually done as a first step as long as no other plugs had come out from the other cylinders. I did talk to a bunch of mech's at other places and the ones that did do them previously told me that they had not had any problems if they were done correctly and used the correct insert. I just confirmed today that the insert is indeed a steel one, not the hard anodized aluminum.

The truck is a 2001. At the time of the original repair, it has 99490 on it. I have 107 and change on it now. The dealer looked at it yesterday and I am bringing it back to them for Monday. He did seem to want to help, but I don't know how far his help will go. I will be bringing printouts from all the postings I canget my hands on, as well as a copy of the page about the CA lawsuit.

As for raising hell, that's what I will do if I am forced. I am planning on having the easy, 'you are going to want to fix this quietly and not force me to go to the area manager, then Ford, then the NY atty General' talk with the service manager when we find out what happened. If they balk, then the gloves come off. I will definitely talk to them about the PO5 or PO7 deal too.

Thanks for the info........I may even start to compile a list of those that have had to deal with this.

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So, here I am. I have decided to get the repair kit from 'Fulltorque' and have it done. The kit is not too terribly expensive, about 380.00. I also figure I would offer up the kit to those that have the issue come up. I guess I could network through the websites and allow the plug victims of America the use, for a small fee, of the kit as long as they buy the fasteners. It's better than having to buy the whole kit, you can just rent it for as long as you need to get the job done.

Pass the word, save my email, Let's help each other out.

BTW....let's get a list of NY Ford owners that have this problem together. I have the feeling we will need it soon.

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ouch , that really sucks, push it till the limit !!!!!!, let us know how it goes

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the only way exceptible to ford is head replacement and i agree with that as a ford tech but then they should be replacing heads on all that have blown out free as a recall there is and was obviously a problem.

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Same here HockeyHitman. If it was my truck, I'd want to replace the head. I work at a Ford dealer though, and can get a healthy discount on the parts and I have the knowledge of how to swap the head myself. It's unfortunate that it hasn't been made a recall, we all know it should have been. Alot of people getting the shaft on this one. I don't know what "kit" DaveJ has found. I haven't taken the time to go the website to check it out, but I wish the best of luck although I hold doubts for a permanent repair. If it was a permanent fix, Ford would have bought the rights and save themselves millions in warranty repair costs.

I still dread the next time an F- series comes into the shop popping because I know the only way I'll fix it is to replace the head and if it's covered under warranty I'll be losing my ass on the time Ford pays me to fix it. You'd **** bricks, but I've seen guys raise Expedition and f-150 bodies in order to gain easier access. Myself... I just accept the time I get to R&R the engine, leave it in there and bust my stomach over the radiator support.

Built Ford Tough....

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Just reading thru the thread , ( no pun ), I've been turning wrenches for a lil over 30 yrs now , an in the past by customer's request , an also on several old truck's I owned. I have heil- coiled the spark plug hole after the threads had been screwed up by someone cross threading the plugs.

I used the red locitie thread lock an let it cure overnite. An never had a problem with the insert coming out , or the plug backing out, of course these were cast iron heads as well . guess I've just been lucky . probaly wouldnt try it on an alum. head. I think most people probaly fail on the insert method as said they used the wrong type , or the hole was to badly damaged to properly hold the insert.

But this should be a warranty issue on these motors , an the folks need to band together an force it

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i wasnt saying that it is not good to put a heil-coil ,off warranty i have seen some put heil-coil in and was ok ,if you follow fords recommendations they want head replacement as a ford tech i have not seen anyone in our shop lift the cab to gain access but i heard alot of people are doing it and saving time...

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Just to let everyone know, I have the kit from Fulltourque for the 5.4 Triton motors. I will rent it to those of you that do not want to invest in buying the kit. I did a lot of research and found that the inserts that this kit uses will not fail. I had mine done about 20K ago (give or take) and there have been zero issues with it.

If you have a need, or know someone that needs it, contact me and we can work out the details. A few buck for a 'rental' beats buying the 450.00 kit.

dave

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Just a suggestion, but worth a try ...... ( http://www.timesert.com/html/triton_repair.html )

I had a 2001 F-150 that I used the time-sert on, and it has lasted over 52,000 miles since the repair.

This is NOT a heli-coil type insert and worked great for me.

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I got a 97 expedition 5.4my 3rd cylinder is stripped I talked to a place that would redo my headand put 11 threads on each spark plug hole instead of 4. What im wondering is if this is done will the compression difference be easier or harder on my lower end? The truck has 147xxx on it but ran great. What happened was I had plugs replaced at 110xxx at about 121 3rd cylinder blew a plug, mechanic put new one in and said it seated well. Well now at 147 a coil went out so i decided to replace plugs too whenpulling 3rd cylinder plug out it was working its way out again about half way tryed to screw new plug in but was stripped. Someone please help I figure ill keep the truck and repair but what should I do Can i just replace one head on right side or do I have to do both? Will remanufactured head(s) be worth doing at this mililage or should I temp fix and sell? I like the truck it ran great and shifted great too just would like some advice my heads redone would cost 1000 plus labor 500 then parts around 200 Thanks alot for help It is greatly appreciated

RE: 5.4 liter, spark plug blow out
 

YEa !!!! I know , it dont seem that long ago we went from most of the plugs being a 13/16 " to a 5/8 ",,, but even then they didnt rob us,, O'well[sm=bs.gif],,, I know sometimes I use ask the Tool Guy where his Mask An Gun was......