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cngizbleevng 04-01-2020 01:16 PM

Traction Control and ABS lamps on again--the problem continues
 
In my previous posts, I've said how I've replaced the Tone Ring, Wheel Speed Sensor (2 times), and just in the last week I replaced the Wheel Hub. I've also checked the sensor's wiring and it appears intact and plugged in well. The wiring enters a larger bundle in the engine bay and I lose track of it there.

None of this has resulted in any long-term fix for the indicator lamps coming back on. Previous code was C1233 -- Speed Wheel LF Input Signal Missing. No codes are coming up this time other than an emissions code that's a separate issue.

Here's an important point though... When I use the Torque app to clear the codes, the dash lights go off as the app is clearing them, but they come right back on a second or two later. The car isn't moving at all. This implies to me that it isn't a problem with the tone ring or wheel hub, but more likely an electrical, sensor, or computer issue.

Any thoughts?

Hayapower 04-01-2020 09:38 PM

Have you looked in the data for the ABS for indicated wheel speed matches?

hanky 04-02-2020 08:44 AM

Maybe we can offer another suggestion,
Most wheel speed sensors get what is referred to as a "Bias voltage". This voltage usually is measured off the signal wire at the sensor with the key on and reads around 5 volts , plus or minus. If for some reason this bias voltage is absent , the system will throw a code . It might be a good starting point to check if this voltage is present there.

cngizbleevng 04-04-2020 11:46 AM


Originally Posted by Hayapower (Post 118344)
Have you looked in the data for the ABS for indicated wheel speed matches?


Originally Posted by hanky (Post 118346)
Maybe we can offer another suggestion,
Most wheel speed sensors get what is referred to as a "Bias voltage". This voltage usually is measured off the signal wire at the sensor with the key on and reads around 5 volts , plus or minus. If for some reason this bias voltage is absent , the system will throw a code . It might be a good starting point to check if this voltage is present there.


Hayapower--I'm not sure how to do that. Is it a feature in Torque?

Hanky, so I'm guessing a multimeter, but which points do I touch the probes to to test for that?

Hayapower 04-04-2020 01:28 PM

Ive never used Torque, but my guess its a basic reader with some panel features etc.

Generally if there's a mismatch or an intermittent signal dropout in wheel speed reading/s, it can be picked up visually watching the the live streaming PID data under driving conditions. At least, a good place to start to witness an active and balanced signal/s are being reported. Next, or First as hanky mentioned would be to test for voltage greater than 10V present across the harness side of the VSS connector with the Key On. Anytime the vehicle exceeds 9 MPH and the speed signal isn't detected, a module generated DTC will set. Also, mismatched tire sizes can be cause for these DTC's

You'd need a scan tool capable of reading individual module data PID's.
If you have a Windows laptop, a no cost download of FORScan and a 'switchable' (HS/MS CAN) ELM327 adapter makes for a very capable tool that has many functions, DTC's, PIDS, streaming, module data. programming, feature altering etc. For about 30.00 for the adapter, you'd have a capable tool with many features and proactive test functions..

I can send you some circuit DTC test procedure if you need, but in that, the first test step is to verify a matched and balanced set of readings. But if you want to verify power distribution across the connector first, it may lend to some direction before upping the game on your test capability..

cngizbleevng 04-04-2020 02:54 PM

I'm certainly interested in FORScan. I use a similar set up for our BMW. I guess I'll need a different adapter for the Ford though.

scott.butler4 05-20-2020 11:12 AM

Ok, are all tires the same size?
Assuming they are you will need to use a scan tool that shows live data, bring up all four wheel speed sensor PIDs and watch them while driving, they should all stay within 1MPH of each other.
Also you can do a on demand ABS self test.
Check that the sensor bolt is tight for the wheel that is different.(code specifies LF)
Did you install the tone ring correctly? There is a special tool to install them, and if not done correctly will screw with the ABS system.
The wheel speed sensor uses a 2 wire sensor, disconnect the sensor and the ABS module, check the resistance of the wires for any damage to the harness.

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cngizbleevng 05-20-2020 01:58 PM

Wow, I wish I understood all this electrical stuff!

The wheels are all the same size, and the tone ring was installed by the Ford Dealer, but it didn't solve the problem.


scott.butler4 05-20-2020 03:31 PM

OK so for the diagram, based on your code we are directed to the left front wheel speed sensor, due to the description of the code the signal is missing, this means the module does not see anything which to me would mean an open in the harness or a damaged sensor or a damaged module, hopefully not the module.

Here is the diagram of the harness between that sensor and the module. I drew one wire with blue going from Pin 2 at the sensor to Pin 45 on the module. I drew one wire with red going from Pin 1 at the sensor to Pin 46 on the module. I have circled these pins with the corresponding colors on the connector faces.
What you need to do is disconnect the ABS connector and the left front wheel speed sensor connector. Using a multimeter set to ohms/resistance you will then CAREFULLY as to not spread the terminals insert a probe into the two red wire ends from Pin 1 to Pin 46, write down the reading. You will then do the same for the blue wire ends from Pin 2 to Pin 45, write down the reading.
If there is no damage to the wiring harness the reading for the wires should be less then 0.5 ohms, Ford states that any reading above 5 ohms means there is a issue with that wire, generally I do not see readings above 1 ohm if the wire is intact with no damage.
Its been a bit since I have dealt with one of these ABS modules but I remember the connector was strange to release, dont remember how to though.
If both wires measure from end to end less then 5 ohms, hopefully even less then 0.5 ohms then you know the wiring harness is ok and should check for corrosion or damage to the pins.
Report back when you are done with testing.
I assume people will complain about the 5 ohm rule, the reason that Ford allows up to 5 ohms is because some wires can be over 20 feet long with multiple connectors between ends, each connector adds a little bit of resistance and so they could add up.

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Left front wheel speed sensor connector.
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ABS module connector.
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cngizbleevng 05-20-2020 04:33 PM

I've replaced the sensor twice already and it hasn't solved the problem.

I know where the sensor's wiring connects inside the engine bay, but I haven't been able to figure where the wiring continues on from there. Where is this ABS module connector? Is it in the fuse box?


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