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heiko 04-01-2024 12:15 PM

Do you think you can handle pinpoint C with a helper? You just need someone to shift inside the car while you are looking at the the lever shift control cable movement. If you decide to DIY I will provide further diagrams and instructions. Tools that you need, a jaw locking plier (the big one on the right), 15mm socket with ratchet and 15mm and 9mm wrench (not sure about the size), and a flat head. If you have 1/4 and 3/8 torque wrench that'd be helpful as well.

Dozer7 04-01-2024 12:26 PM

I do all my own mechanic work except for big jobs like engine or tranny swaps. I have all the tools you mentioned. I'd DIY to see what I can determine if I had diagrams, pictures, manual, etc. to show me what I am looking for.

heiko 04-01-2024 01:26 PM

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Routine 201 + 301 Below. Let me know if you need to see another routine.

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If you need to remove the DTR, you DON'T need to use the TRS alignment tool.
As you can see about the Pinpoint C and the 201-301 routines, all about the shift cable and the DTR. If those are fine, then you could have internal tranny problems.

hanky 04-01-2024 01:34 PM

From your description , it sounds like the forward clutch is gone.. If there was a pressure problem that contributed to this, there is a modified pump to overcome that problem.

A remanufactured trans, would have the latest updates in it. Most suppliers of remanufactured trans will not warranty their trans unless the cooler is replaced.

Might want to touch base on that before starting the job.

Dozer7 04-03-2024 05:20 PM

Thank You to all of you for your input/advice!

I have another wrench to throw in this mess!

My son was scared to tell me the whole story, but came clean today!

The day his tranny went out, he did some mods to include a ECM tune. Here is the story:

Basically, he installed a BBK 78MM throttle body and at the same time installed a Mary Tune. I kinda know what a tune is, but not an expert. My son said this tune also changed his shift points in the tranny. As soon as he did all of this, he took his car on a test drive and...You guessed it! He said he drove about one mile and felt it shift different. He turned down a side street and came to a stop. He tried to do a U-Turn and there was no more forward gears. He then put it in reverse and backed down the street back to the main road. At this point, he called me to get his car towed home.

This info. would have been nice to know a week ago!!!

Does anyone have any knowledge about tunes?
Is it possible (It sure is strangely coincidental) that this tune is the result of his issues?
Is it possible to retune the ECM back to where it was prior?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

hanky 04-06-2024 01:51 PM

Most times if any "Add on is disconnected/removed", the system will usually revert back to original.

Were there any instructions for doing that , which may have come with the kit ?

NightDriver 10-26-2024 11:18 AM

Hi Heiko!

I have a 1993 Ford Crown Vic, with the 4.6 L V8, rear wheel drive, automatic. The car has about 106,000 miles.

I was reading this thread, and read through the testing inspsction manual you posted. I think I have a "point B" issue, specifically with the selector not corresponidng to the gear I want it and and the control cable from the shifter to the transmission. I know that guide is for a 2002 Ford, but could I use the same procedure for a 1993?

It started with putting the car in reverse. I would shift into reverse and it would not engage so I keep my foot on the brake and put it into park or neutral, back to reverese and it engages. Now this is beginning to occur in drive.
After a cold start it engages in drive, sometimes after a 5-10 minute drive when I go to put it in park, it will not engage so I keep my foot on the brake, shift to neutral adn back to park and it engages.

When the problem began with engaging reverse, I checked the transmission fluid, and it is black like oil. I was advised to have a transmission flush, put new fluid, drive it for a week and drain and empty the tranmsion again with Ford trasmission fluid. I think threre issue is the combination of burnt transmission fluid and the selector cable.
Also I was taught that if transmission fluid has never been flushed, you don't do it.

I have had vehicles with a slipping transmission with trouble shifting out of first or second gear adn this is not like that. Any suggestions are appreciated!

heiko 10-26-2024 07:46 PM

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For selector not corresponding to the gear you just need to find a helper to shift and so you can look at the cable movement at the range sensor, this way you can tell if the cable is not aligning or there is a problem at the steering column or floor shifter (don't know which one you have).
Anyhow download and look at the AT-Testing_Inspection.pdf below specifically for 1993 Crown Victoria.


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